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this is James Randi and you're listening

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to the skeptic zone welcome to the

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skeptic zone the podcast from Australia

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for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 444 for the 23rd of April

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2017 Richardson is here with you from a

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bar me Sydney Australia beautiful

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weather and I don't mind it at all it's

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not cold it's not too hot it's very nice

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and lucky it was for this weekend

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yesterday here in Sydney we had the

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March for science oh happy birthday Lara

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by the way we had the March for science

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and this is going to make up the bulk of

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this week's episode of the skeptic zone

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where Maynard was running around with

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his microphone as normal as usual and

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those people who were there who who came

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up actually a lot of people came up and

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said hi to me nod and myself listeners

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to the skeptics own hello to everybody

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who did wow great to see you sorry we

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couldn't stop and Chad for very long we

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were busy running around getting

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interviews and things but thank you

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really sincerely thank you for coming up

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and saying hi to me not and me what a

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March it was a great a great turnout for

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science the crowd i think was estimated

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you'll be hearing a lot of it about that

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coming up on this week's episode of the

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skeptic zone but before we get to all of

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that i've been very exciting it is to to

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statement a report i should say from the

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australian skeptics about some new

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government action against the australian

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vaccination as skeptics network or as

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avn the upstream AXA nation network

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longtime listeners are very familiar

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with that crew that crowd that group as

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we sometimes say that zany wacky

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off-the-wall group i didn't see them put

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a foot into the march for science anyway

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some news about some more government

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action of a type and ordered it seems

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looking into their accounts their

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business affairs news about that coming

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up to the top of the show following that

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its brouhaha from australia science TV

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hello to

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dr. Paul Willis and all the wonderful

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people at the Royal Institution of

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Australia down there in Adelaide who put

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brouhaha together this week a new way to

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treat or fight cancer a very unusual way

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you'll find out soon and then and then

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our big report the Sydney March for

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hear on skip exam from time to time were

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strolling along in Sydney downtown

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sydney by the harbor and we talked about

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the upcoming march for science sort of

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getting into the mood getting excited

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about it then we're going to have a

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another report press release from

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Australian skeptics as to why the

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Australian skeptics were there how

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important it was for the skeptic

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community to be there and then back to

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the March itself where Maynard manages

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to score an interview with dr. Carl dr.

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Cole cruising iski in fact there are two

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Australian skeptics plus lots of people

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Australia with a long tradition of

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it's alycia Dean makes an appearance

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Maynard speaks to Julie McCrossan who

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for the March for science then to round

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way over to the United States where dr.

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wonderful skeptics dr. Angie has been on

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the skeptic zone before I think Celeste

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caricaturist my goodness me I'll put a

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link in the show notes to her site she

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impressed anyway they were at the march

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in washington the march for science and

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they give us an on-the-spot report from

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that march and then they discuss it a

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have pizzas oh yes yes it's good fun

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out reading all that stuff coming up on

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this week's episode I better run

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downstairs very quickly and have some

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pizza of my own and what's my favorite

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pizza mexicana anything of chilies and

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things like that oh yeah why not well I

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do that I hope you enjoy the skeptic

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ww skeptics com au anti-vaxxers ordered

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to please explain fundraising published

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on the sixteenth of April 2017 written

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by Tim when the New South Wales

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Government has served papers on the

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network as one step in the government's

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inquiry into its fund raising activities

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and better regulation Minister Matt Ian

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has ordered the inquiry following

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complaints it may have been seeking

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donations from the public for charitable

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South Wales Parliament at the end of

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last year by then better regulation

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trading authorities would investigate

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the AVS in following the group's calling

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overturn the federal government's no jab

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October who said it had raised quote

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thousand five hundred dollars on legal

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advice a figure which has been

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as well as many outside of it when

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announcing the end of its high court

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campaign the AVS n suggested that the

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remaining funds would be put into use

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public office and quote or lobbying

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suggested the donations could be used to

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unquote to Australia or to purchase

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advertising the network is now obliged

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to explain how the money was actually

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spent the recent papers were served on a

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v SN representative naturopath brett

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remember that well I guess for the first

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that's never been retired now we could

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where her group of us would gather at

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the club at the end of the street it's a

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activities of the Australian vaccination

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skeptics network as they became and the

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absolve us from continuing our campaigns

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and investigations and pressure but at

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instruction that made them put up

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retraction notices here in Australia

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when the product didn't work and that

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company so an important lesson and an

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and now direct from the cafe at

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brouhaha with Casey Harrigan I wouldn't

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treatment but this one involves sperm

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drugs directly to gain illogical cancer

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hilarious doesn't make this research any

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less incredible research is soaked a

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bovine sperm cell in a chemotherapy drug

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then fitted it with a 3d printed harness

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researchers to guide the tiny drug

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smugglers across a petri dish using a

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magnet at about half the speed they

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allows it to bend out of the way so the

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stem could deliver the drugs into the

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cancer cell no more cancer and normal

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hello skeptic zone listeners we've had a

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very unusual players a place you

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wouldn't normally find us throughout the

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front of the Star City casino in Sydney

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just on Walsh Bay and we were walking

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along towards the city now there's

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nothing particularly skeptical or

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scientific around us but looking around

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me I can see people that weren't good at

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stats leaving the casino looking at not

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too happy about things and I can see bit

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of botany around the place where they've

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been growing some flowers to make people

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you know feel a bit better when they

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come out with a casino after not doing

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so well with the odds and statistics etc

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Richard's are wandering along la rosiere

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to the having a chat about something

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skeptical no doubt and in the distance

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there's all the new buildings have been

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put up around Bank bamboo banga room

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which is a part of Sydney that ever done

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up and it's a bit of an overcast day and

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I know that the listeners to the skeptic

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zone a big on the weather report so i

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think the humidity would be man average

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and it's a nice little about 18 degrees

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there's lots of private yachts going

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away in the distance and i'm just

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looking at them all there and as I look

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along the 15 or 16 private yachts I can

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see that none of them are owned by

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Richard Saunders but you never know

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maybe the 17th or 18th one might be his

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and we're just here at to fund the

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Maritime Museum at the moment and

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Richard Saunders has just spotted

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something he's never seen before they've

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got the HMS onslow over there the the

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submarine well I know that but I haven't

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been down here for a while and there's a

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massive big new building just behind the

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submarine I'm not sure that's all right

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it must be the net the museum now of

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course that many people will realize the

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the the onslow is the submarine that was

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used in the Batman movie 1966 when you

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see penguin and Joker in the submarine

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it is the submarine used on pretty sure

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oh well I could be wrong about that

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maybe I was just I was just making some

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facts up just off the top my head there

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at the altar I'm pretty sure but I'm

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pretty sure that's what it was I mean

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you know and look I mean who really we

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know and when do when Julie Newmar says

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down periscope you don't argue you don't

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know you with Catwoman that's

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as Lee Meriwether but still posing and

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they will marry whether you see Richard

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and I just wander around the famous

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landmarks of Sydney discussing sixties

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movies we're actually we were here with

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Lara Bannerman we're all going to be

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doing the March for science tomorrow and

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so we're just getting bit of practice in

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now practice yeah so I'm got an outfit

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you're gonna wear a few people are going

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in lab coats I was considering a lab

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coat I've got a couple of science ii

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t-shirts and definitely some science ii

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jewelry oh what a science jewelry i like

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DNA helix and stuff um I've got some

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rockets I've got some planets earrings

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and an atom brooch I've got quite a few

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things actually I can't possibly fit

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them all on because I was thinking if

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anyone asks me I should be I should be

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representing a branch of science and I

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was gonna go with geology but I wanted

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something I know it's exciting but I

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wonder something more like phrenology or

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something but I don't think that's an

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actual science not exactly it's a

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pseudoscience it's a study of bumps on

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the head Richard apology run boy run

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apology i might get down with that one

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like to think about that as we wander

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around darling harbour here and we check

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out the submarine that was actually used

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in the 1966 batman movie this article

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appeared on the australian skeptics

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website on april the 18th by Tim Mendham

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Australian skeptics Inc why we're

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marching for science members of the

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committee of Australian skeptic zinc

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will join the match for science in

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Sydney on April the 22nd and those

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skeptics who are thinking of taking part

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might consider joining us we're even

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offering very very cheap t-shirts so you

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can proudly declare both you're

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skeptical and pro-science attitude the

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march for science who has initially

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established in the US where there is a

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considerable and growing anti-science

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movement such as the concerning advance

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of the anti-vaccination movement the

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march for science movement has now

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spread around the world with much as

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being held on April 22nd birthday to

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quote bring people from all walks of

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life who believe we need more evidence

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and reason in our political process in

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quote most australian capital cities and

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some regional centers will be taking

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part australia has had its

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sheriff pseudoscience movements from the

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creation movement of the 1980s to the

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popularity of today's self-appointed

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nutrition expert paleo Pete Evans from

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the disgraced fake cancer sufferer Bill

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Gibson to the anti-vaccination movement

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there have been many worrying challenges

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for skeptics and these have real impact

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the anti-vaccination movement has

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created a misguided environment of fear

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and mistrust that has recently resulted

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in a case of tetanus in an unvaccinated

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child in the Northern Rivers region and

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a brain hemorrhage in a newborn with a

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vitamin K deficiency meanwhile

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politicians like one nations Malcolm

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Roberts publicly deny science consensus

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on climate change quote science and

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critical thinking have always been the

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core and the heart of the skeptical

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movement in quote says Iran sir give

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president of Australian sceptic sink or

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ASI quote the opening sentence of our

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mission statement is Australian skeptics

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Inc will advocate critical thinking and

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scientific reasoning so we believe it is

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important to stand up and support any

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move that stresses the importance of

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Sciences place in society and public and

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private policy end quote Tim mendham

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executive officer for Australian

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skeptics Inc says quote we need to

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ensure that science is properly funded

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that critical thinking is applied to

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decision-making at all levels especially

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in government and that science is

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central to the education of our children

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in quote the principles and goals of

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March for science also include improving

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diversity and inclusion in science

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increasing federal funding for science

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research and supporting individual

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scientists and their ability to

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communicate their findings freely so

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give affirms that these are goals that

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The Skeptical movement in Australia have

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been pursuing for close to 40 years

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quote it's something we are proud of and

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happy to continue to

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take as long as it is necessary and it

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is more than necessary today end quote

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it's all about science here today that's

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right scientists sexy science is

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exciting and today science is marching

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while standing around listening to some

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lectures and things but that will be

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going on down here in Martin play see

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I'm here with the inventor of bacon they

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put a statue up to him a fantastic thing

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going we're going to go out and see why

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science needs supporting whose science

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needs supporting and how many people are

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supporting science and they're just over

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there let's go look yes it's an exciting

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day to day here in Martin place 50

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people march for all sorts of reasons

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sometimes people live in March for pigs

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people march for causes people march for

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lying down people march for sex but

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today they are marching for science and

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dr. Cole is a man who is dedicated his

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life to science how a man pretty good I

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tell you what what do you hope can be

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achieved today and why are people

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standing up for science today here in

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Australia what can be achieved the

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realization that science is good for

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humans and other living things and it's

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secondly that if it all finishes today

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then we've failed it's got to keep on

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going and we want to give a long term

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acceptance that science is a long term

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endeavor and so cutting back with

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funding today doesn't really change

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anything except suddenly in three years

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from now 20 20 the medical advances that

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would have come through don't the

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technological advances don't and because

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you haven't got them you don't see what

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you haven't got so that's part of what

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we're gonna get across that science

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needs consistent funding and they're

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overwhelmingly size can be good for

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humans and other living things what do

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you think we're sort of on the edge of

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that we may lose discovery wise oh my

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god there's so many things I was reading

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a paper about how looking at the really

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pure science theoretical papers under

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the sponsorship of the NIH and American

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National Institute of Health and we're

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looking at ones that have got not

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anything specifically related to

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diabetes so it's health but it's not

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there's nothing to the human conditions

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just looking at pure health science

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within 10 years

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thirty percent of them a hook to a

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patent okay so you're not going to get

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the money you're not going to this is

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your written a paper on sodium channels

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you're not going to get a patent today

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but in ten years they'll be patent and

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five years of that it'll be helping

548
00:24:00,660 --> 00:23:58,810
people's lives so that's a realization

549
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,670
we want to get across that science can

550
00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:03,360
do stuff for you and that it does and

551
00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:06,340
it's worth while keeping going look at

552
00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:07,540
there's a political issue where

553
00:24:10,770 --> 00:24:09,220
politicians think they can save a bit of

554
00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:10,780
money with it but there's also the

555
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:12,670
person in the street science gets a bad

556
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:14,050
rap because of them sometimes the

557
00:24:17,670 --> 00:24:15,610
behavior of Big Pharma do you think it's

558
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:17,680
important to separate the marketing from

559
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:21,970
the science sometimes yes and the

560
00:24:28,650 --> 00:24:25,080
comment of Ben Goldacre springs to mind

561
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:28,660
who you know who's who his mother was no

562
00:24:32,790 --> 00:24:31,090
you have been dug gold okay yes yes they

563
00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:32,800
broke you about the book bad science yes

564
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:35,950
single bed yet out she was newsha Fox

565
00:24:40,890 --> 00:24:37,690
yeah she is still news the Fox that's

566
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:40,900
his mom Leslie anyway so he said that

567
00:24:46,550 --> 00:24:43,510
there's not a huge difference between

568
00:24:50,250 --> 00:24:46,560
Big Pharma and big alternative medicine

569
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:50,260
except in the budgets both of them will

570
00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:52,570
use this fine thing called science in

571
00:24:57,330 --> 00:24:55,270
dodgy ways to make themselves wealthier

572
00:24:59,490 --> 00:24:57,340
so though if they get any hint of a good

573
00:25:00,960 --> 00:24:59,500
result push it forward out of context if

574
00:25:02,430 --> 00:25:00,970
there's any bad results it never

575
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:02,440
happened put in the bottom drawer and

576
00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:04,570
burn it now as a pediatrician and

577
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,980
someone who's worked with children and

578
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:07,600
work with a range of patients as a

579
00:25:10,860 --> 00:25:09,370
doctor what do you think is that the

580
00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:10,870
weirdest sort of alternative medicine

581
00:25:15,030 --> 00:25:12,820
practice that you've encountered or seen

582
00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:15,040
ok so number one I'm not a qualified p

583
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:16,360
diffusion I just worked in the kids

584
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:18,010
hospital as a junior doctor I'm sorry

585
00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:19,030
about that but yeah I would say there

586
00:25:22,260 --> 00:25:20,860
was a bit of hands-on yeah yeah yeah I

587
00:25:23,550 --> 00:25:22,270
was working the kids hospital as a

588
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,560
junior doctor but I'm not a qualified

589
00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:26,320
fellow of the Australian society of

590
00:25:33,810 --> 00:25:29,260
pediatricians so the weirdest health one

591
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:33,820
oh god cupping oh right i mean k get ken

592
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:36,730
can you imagine that creating a vacuum

593
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,410
on somebody's butt back with and putting

594
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:40,320
a cup on it and raising a big red wheel

595
00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:44,170
will remove these mysterious toxins no

596
00:25:48,420 --> 00:25:47,260
one's pretty dumb oh what's the one

597
00:25:50,670 --> 00:25:48,430
where you lay your hands over their body

598
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:50,680
beat down a grey key reiki now come on

599
00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:52,690
that one's got to be crazy look the one

600
00:25:54,749 --> 00:25:54,190
I think is pretty well as one with with

601
00:25:56,609 --> 00:25:54,759
a balloon

602
00:25:58,259 --> 00:25:56,619
up the nose named flake the balloon and

603
00:25:59,789 --> 00:25:58,269
it's supposed to align some bones in the

604
00:26:03,239 --> 00:25:59,799
nose which is supposed to help your

605
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:03,249
spine help your spine yeah well firstly

606
00:26:06,449 --> 00:26:04,570
there's no bones in the nose is only

607
00:26:09,689 --> 00:26:06,459
cartilage and secondly because the

608
00:26:13,229 --> 00:26:09,699
cartilage has a very poor blood supply

609
00:26:14,939 --> 00:26:13,239
like all cartilage hi cocaine use means

610
00:26:17,339 --> 00:26:14,949
that the views on a cocaine you have to

611
00:26:20,369 --> 00:26:17,349
end up getting a silver plate in your

612
00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:20,379
nose and a balloon up your nose blood

613
00:26:25,619 --> 00:26:23,559
and thirdly I'm trying desperately to

614
00:26:26,849 --> 00:26:25,629
think of any physiological pathway

615
00:26:28,619 --> 00:26:26,859
that'll do something to you spying

616
00:26:30,869 --> 00:26:28,629
nothing I like nothing this is a thing

617
00:26:33,239 --> 00:26:30,879
with the alternative medicine is that

618
00:26:35,819 --> 00:26:33,249
the mechanism is always badly described

619
00:26:37,499 --> 00:26:35,829
if described at all true but you should

620
00:26:39,089 --> 00:26:37,509
realize this that many things in

621
00:26:40,979 --> 00:26:39,099
medicine we don't understand so for

622
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:40,989
example with anesthetics yeah we know

623
00:26:45,149 --> 00:26:43,690
really well how to give them and what

624
00:26:47,309 --> 00:26:45,159
anesthetics for what sort of person and

625
00:26:51,779 --> 00:26:47,319
the results that can happen in the side

626
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:51,789
effects we do not know the mechanism by

627
00:26:57,509 --> 00:26:54,849
which a general anesthetic works we we

628
00:26:59,939 --> 00:26:57,519
know the a mechanism by which painkiller

629
00:27:01,829 --> 00:26:59,949
such as aspirin or paracetamol works or

630
00:27:04,259 --> 00:27:01,839
by which an opiate works or by which

631
00:27:07,499 --> 00:27:04,269
caffeine works we know these mechanisms

632
00:27:08,609 --> 00:27:07,509
but with anesthetics we don't know but

633
00:27:12,569 --> 00:27:08,619
on your land we know how to use them

634
00:27:14,849 --> 00:27:12,579
really well and so that's why pianist

635
00:27:16,439 --> 00:27:14,859
liters and liters have to do seven years

636
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:16,449
of study so by the way that vet is a

637
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:19,690
myth yeah it's a myth that if you try to

638
00:27:23,459 --> 00:27:21,609
hold up a bank you just get your sleep

639
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:23,469
grenade and roll it in and everybody

640
00:27:26,609 --> 00:27:25,329
goes to sleep and nobody dies and

641
00:27:28,949 --> 00:27:26,619
everybody's asleep it ain't that easy

642
00:27:30,089 --> 00:27:28,959
believe it or not it's not that easy you

643
00:27:31,439 --> 00:27:30,099
got to spend mix for seven years of

644
00:27:32,879 --> 00:27:31,449
learning how to put people to sleep I

645
00:27:34,499 --> 00:27:32,889
thought the 60s Batman Chow is a

646
00:27:37,469 --> 00:27:34,509
documentary that's why I get all my pure

647
00:27:38,819 --> 00:27:37,479
science from ah documentary next thing

648
00:27:40,889 --> 00:27:38,829
you tell me everything in the Batcave is

649
00:27:42,779 --> 00:27:40,899
not true it's got signs on it it does I

650
00:27:45,899 --> 00:27:42,789
then a bit idea what isn't a documentary

651
00:27:47,609 --> 00:27:45,909
The Terminator okay just kidding oh hey

652
00:27:49,649 --> 00:27:47,619
look how random person walking paths

653
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:49,659
with a sign and it says support science

654
00:27:53,189 --> 00:27:51,369
not superstition what a good thing

655
00:27:55,229 --> 00:27:53,199
that's kind of cool oh now dr. Karl

656
00:27:57,180 --> 00:27:55,239
where can we get online to continue the

657
00:27:58,589 --> 00:27:57,190
fight and to find out what you're doing

658
00:28:01,259 --> 00:27:58,599
and get volved in this discussion well

659
00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:01,269
all of us so these people like Wendy

660
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,190
zukerman everybody who's doing a podcast

661
00:28:07,659 --> 00:28:05,600
in science like me and I

662
00:28:11,409 --> 00:28:07,669
you believe you might have won a prize

663
00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:11,419
yes I I won a UH a castaway award

664
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:13,220
podcast it's ryan podcast award for

665
00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:14,720
comedy about you wouldn't want any of

666
00:28:18,850 --> 00:28:16,700
the science podcasts to win the comedy

667
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,860
section or you'd be in trouble okay good

668
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:20,720
look there's a lot of good stuff in they

669
00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:22,970
go for the peer-reviewed stuff dr. Cal

670
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,350
com the ABC's really good the skeptics

671
00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:28,640
come on you gotta go to the skeptics

672
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:30,230
society they're really good okay cal

673
00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:31,250
good luck they're giving your speech

674
00:28:34,539 --> 00:28:32,630
today what's gonna be the topic of your

675
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,549
talk when you go to the rally today I'm

676
00:28:37,539 --> 00:28:35,840
not giving a talk I thought you'd get

677
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,549
out there and go yay science or

678
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:39,440
something I will but I'm just a face in

679
00:28:44,020 --> 00:28:41,750
the crowd I'm just supporting other

680
00:28:45,399 --> 00:28:44,030
people cool Carl supporting signs

681
00:28:49,810 --> 00:28:45,409
supporting the march supporting the

682
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,820
rally get with it cute amend and of

683
00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:52,159
course who is the editor of many famous

684
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:54,020
publications the best-known one which is

685
00:28:58,390 --> 00:28:56,510
a skeptic that's right which is the

686
00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:58,400
second oldest skeptic publication in the

687
00:29:01,210 --> 00:28:59,450
world which is the bane of your

688
00:29:03,220 --> 00:29:01,220
existence isn't a second oldest how

689
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,230
crappy I am trying to get the other one

690
00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:05,600
closed down yeah well so how many years

691
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:09,950
you've been around for 37 years a long

692
00:29:13,299 --> 00:29:11,510
time he's seen everything what is the

693
00:29:15,010 --> 00:29:13,309
latest thing but in the world of woo

694
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:15,020
stuff that pseudoscience that everyone's

695
00:29:19,270 --> 00:29:16,970
putting their cash down to buy cake

696
00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:19,280
stand right now so bye I think flying

697
00:29:22,299 --> 00:29:20,870
saucers actually look they're back again

698
00:29:23,620 --> 00:29:22,309
are they back again mate yeah I just saw

699
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:23,630
a big article actually under proof of

700
00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:25,370
flying saucers a lot of people look I'm

701
00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:26,630
sort of down with the sources thing I'm

702
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:28,190
down with the UFO thing but I'm just not

703
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:29,690
sure if it's an extraterrestrial event

704
00:29:34,930 --> 00:29:32,809
and interdimensional events or an ultra

705
00:29:37,539 --> 00:29:34,940
traversal event I think it's a dream

706
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:37,549
world yeah yeah it was just a dream so

707
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:38,870
what is the best I mean what about

708
00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:40,490
westall 66 that was a pretty good

709
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:42,500
sighting a mass sighting by school kids

710
00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:45,260
of a UFO in Melbourne it was pretty good

711
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:47,270
pretty good not bad I do by the one

712
00:29:52,029 --> 00:29:49,250
actually done by a skeptic in the mid

713
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:52,039
80s which was a laser beam that confused

714
00:29:54,970 --> 00:29:53,270
a lot of people that was a junior when

715
00:29:58,390 --> 00:29:54,980
you were fo citing done by a skip you're

716
00:29:59,770 --> 00:29:58,400
so creation UFO creation done by a

717
00:30:01,419 --> 00:29:59,780
skeptic yeah well do you think it's a

718
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,429
bit mean-spirited of skeptics to do

719
00:30:05,049 --> 00:30:03,679
these sort of Zeno these fake hoaxes

720
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:05,059
from time to time being that what

721
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,010
skeptics likely just a barrel of fun yes

722
00:30:10,899 --> 00:30:08,960
I like a joke they like a beard I'm

723
00:30:12,190 --> 00:30:10,909
happy it actually with the March for

724
00:30:14,020 --> 00:30:12,200
science today what do you think we will

725
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:14,030
there be any neck beards here at the

726
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,290
march for science that's what I want to

727
00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:17,360
know any neck beards I went looking

728
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:18,620
forward to the beams I just run around

729
00:30:21,310 --> 00:30:19,130
without

730
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:21,320
the starch yeah we're keeping an eye out

731
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:22,730
for that and wink quickly see where can

732
00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:24,650
we get your stuff online you can go to

733
00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:28,220
ww a px Comte you and just look up the

734
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:30,230
magazine more you can find a contact for

735
00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:31,520
me I'd actually just get in touch with

736
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:33,590
me always welcome to hear people look

737
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:39,760
because jessica singh is here as well

738
00:30:42,670 --> 00:30:41,210
from the australian skeptics all ready

739
00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:42,680
to march for science to think this is

740
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:43,880
the first thing you can remember of any

741
00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:45,350
ilka like that so we had a science

742
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:47,960
margin Sydney before ever not that I can

743
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:49,370
remember I mean there there have been

744
00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:51,530
other matches and I say when when I told

745
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:54,100
my mother that I was coming along today

746
00:30:59,860 --> 00:30:57,770
she said we're very sturdy shoes because

747
00:31:01,540 --> 00:30:59,870
her recollection of marchers goes back

748
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:01,550
to the Vietnam War yes so she's

749
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:03,530
expecting some horses charging in a bit

750
00:31:08,050 --> 00:31:05,090
of a bit of smoke teargas going off

751
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:08,060
before you know cops with with long

752
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:11,090
sticks and cattle prods and all sorts of

753
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:13,310
things and I i had to disillusion her

754
00:31:17,860 --> 00:31:16,190
she was she was very excited but I don't

755
00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:17,870
think it's gonna be like that mini rally

756
00:31:22,780 --> 00:31:20,840
can always turn ugly but yeah say your

757
00:31:24,130 --> 00:31:22,790
mum's more hardcore than you basically

758
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,140
that's what you're saying Oh totally

759
00:31:28,690 --> 00:31:26,240
totally I mean my my family you know

760
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:28,700
full of hippies and my aunt said that

761
00:31:31,630 --> 00:31:30,200
she always knew when my cousins were

762
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:31,640
going to go to a demo because they

763
00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:34,310
actually put shoes on otherwise they'd

764
00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:35,870
go barefoot but they had to put shoes on

765
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:37,460
when going to a demo otherwise the cops

766
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:38,990
would you know stamp on their feet and

767
00:31:42,610 --> 00:31:41,090
yeah yeah and where do you think we're

768
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,620
letting science down from this rally

769
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:43,760
today what do you think we should be

770
00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:50,110
research money general support support

771
00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:52,340
from the politicians just just your

772
00:31:59,140 --> 00:31:55,100
acceptance of the methodology and

773
00:32:03,010 --> 00:31:59,150
acceptance of good research it's some

774
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:03,020
astounding that the the politicians and

775
00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:06,690
the people in power just

776
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:10,820
at a whim reject what they don't like it

777
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:13,610
just doesn't work that way mid their

778
00:32:19,940 --> 00:32:17,070
science is is a political it's it's

779
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:19,950
nonpartisan it's a methodology I mean

780
00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:21,690
okay yeah sometimes the ego gets in the

781
00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:23,460
way but we're all human so it's not

782
00:32:29,150 --> 00:32:26,550
perfect but it's not a faith it's not a

783
00:32:31,570 --> 00:32:29,160
belief it is impartial and and it should

784
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,580
be treated as such it's a source of of

785
00:32:36,290 --> 00:32:34,140
useful information which can feed into

786
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:36,300
proper policies so what do you think of

787
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:39,830
the term alternative facts then oh my

788
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:44,610
just bear me we're here with the

789
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:46,050
president of Australian skeptics he's a

790
00:32:50,030 --> 00:32:47,700
very powerful man in fact this man have

791
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:50,040
wheels more power than Donald Trump he

792
00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:51,720
is the president I press how are you

793
00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:53,340
very good how are you pretty good now

794
00:32:55,790 --> 00:32:54,540
I'm not affiliated with the Australian

795
00:32:57,980 --> 00:32:55,800
skeptics I'm what they call a fellow

796
00:33:00,200 --> 00:32:57,990
traveler or just a goose in fact I never

797
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:00,210
went to school for too long really so

798
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:01,890
it's definitely really smart to be a

799
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,340
skeptic president no I go ah he's going

800
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:06,480
to be really good at faking it actually

801
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:07,650
what's your favorite area of science

802
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:10,500
since we're marching for it today ah it

803
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,360
would have well my favorite area of

804
00:33:17,390 --> 00:33:14,340
science is astronomy which is not really

805
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:17,400
in danger I think climate science is

806
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:19,260
probably the the stuff that we are

807
00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:20,970
mostly marching for today that is

808
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:22,350
probably the area of science that is

809
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:24,090
most under attack now this is because

810
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:25,350
it's the most currently the most

811
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:28,770
politicized yeah of course the thing is

812
00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:30,630
that for some reason people choose not

813
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:33,470
to accept the science of climate change

814
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,770
because it's inconvenient and I do think

815
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:40,320
that we see that the acceptance of the

816
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:42,090
science falls along political ions which

817
00:33:45,020 --> 00:33:43,170
kind of tells you everything you need to

818
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:45,030
know okay but of course we do have a

819
00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:46,320
massive coal industry in this country

820
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:47,940
which should be affected so they think

821
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:50,250
in jobs on top of that that's where

822
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:53,220
politics comes into it mmm okay so where

823
00:33:57,380 --> 00:33:55,110
can we continue the fight today from

824
00:33:59,180 --> 00:33:57,390
today onwards well you just have to

825
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,190
continue to men to remind people how

826
00:34:04,790 --> 00:34:01,440
science works for them I like to always

827
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:04,800
mention two areas of science where

828
00:34:10,130 --> 00:34:06,900
people don't understand how basic

829
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:10,140
science curiosity based research has led

830
00:34:15,389 --> 00:34:13,020
to huge improvements for people in their

831
00:34:18,539 --> 00:34:15,399
day-to-day lives one area is

832
00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:18,549
cancer where nowadays for most cancers

833
00:34:22,169 --> 00:34:20,260
there's a better than fifty percent cure

834
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:22,179
rate and that did not come from people

835
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:24,129
looking for a cure for cancer that came

836
00:34:28,349 --> 00:34:26,200
from people doing basic research on cell

837
00:34:30,419 --> 00:34:28,359
biology and stuff like that and in

838
00:34:32,789 --> 00:34:30,429
finding things that eventually led to

839
00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:32,799
cures for specific two kinds of cancer

840
00:34:39,419 --> 00:34:35,409
and the other is in our pockets you know

841
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:39,429
without without basic science without

842
00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:41,460
basic science this would not be working

843
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:43,629
we would not be have we would not have

844
00:34:48,659 --> 00:34:47,169
mobiles we would not have GPS basic

845
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:48,669
science affects us every day of our

846
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:52,240
lives we reduce funding for for research

847
00:34:58,109 --> 00:34:55,929
for again blue sky research at the early

848
00:35:02,309 --> 00:34:58,119
stage then we actually are affecting the

849
00:35:03,329 --> 00:35:02,319
outcomes in 20 and 30 years time I just

850
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:03,339
across the road the New South Wales

851
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:05,170
Police have turned up to keep an eye on

852
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:07,569
the March for science here I can care

853
00:35:12,029 --> 00:35:09,730
about 15 police so I'm not quite sure if

854
00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:12,039
that's a decent turnout for this kind of

855
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:13,180
thing or not i don't know if it's an

856
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:15,730
underwear there underrating the value of

857
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,770
the but if they're under rating the

858
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:19,359
value of the march for science or

859
00:35:24,269 --> 00:35:22,390
whether they're overrating it but 15 and

860
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:24,279
all fairness to it it's time and a half

861
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:27,089
and I said day you can't blame them

862
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:29,230
local ask you questions about why you're

863
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:32,650
here today for the science march i'm

864
00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:36,510
here because i believe in evidence-based

865
00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:39,670
decision-making processes and what you

866
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,740
think is the biggest threat to that

867
00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:45,040
I just think the biggest threat to that

868
00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:49,630
it's fake news and I think that we all

869
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:52,380
need to sit back and just problem-solve

870
00:35:58,650 --> 00:35:55,690
before we get hysterical about ego

871
00:35:59,490 --> 00:35:58,660
maniacs who are running countries so

872
00:36:02,580 --> 00:35:59,500
what do you think with the phrase

873
00:36:05,130 --> 00:36:02,590
alternative facts then not very much

874
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:05,140
yeah that's very polite of you thank you

875
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,830
very much well we've got someone who's

876
00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:10,240
pretty famous within one division of

877
00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:11,860
science here so what's your division of

878
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:14,080
science and what's your name by karcher

879
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:16,390
I'm the Union New South Wales I must say

880
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:17,980
having been a Dean of science at the

881
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,830
University every aspect of science to me

882
00:36:24,510 --> 00:36:22,720
is absolutely critical you've got to

883
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:24,520
switch stop for paleontology but haven't

884
00:36:29,070 --> 00:36:26,770
you I do and in fact of course what we

885
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:29,080
do is use our science to learn from the

886
00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:31,330
past to understand what's happening now

887
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,900
in order to conserve these key issues

888
00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:36,880
into the future so we're weaving

889
00:36:39,570 --> 00:36:38,350
together the past president in the

890
00:36:41,850 --> 00:36:39,580
future what do you think is the biggest

891
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:41,860
threat to science science funding and

892
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:43,570
science thinking generally in Australia

893
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:46,090
at the moment I guess it's the same

894
00:36:52,070 --> 00:36:48,910
threat that sort of infiltrating and

895
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:52,080
contaminating the world is the idea that

896
00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:54,310
conspiratorial ideas that we don't have

897
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,260
to worry about climate change we don't

898
00:37:00,800 --> 00:36:58,960
have to worry about diseases that

899
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:00,810
somehow everything's going to be fine

900
00:37:06,330 --> 00:37:04,090
this scares me live scares everybody we

901
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:06,340
have got to embrace science as the only

902
00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:10,260
way this sold an opportunity Sydney not

903
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:13,540
early in my career I went to the town

904
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:15,460
hall and I heard Ralph Nader the

905
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:18,190
consumer activist speaking about what he

906
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:22,090
called the duty of citizens to do

907
00:37:25,950 --> 00:37:24,310
something for their communities and he

908
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:25,960
put it to everybody in the room it was

909
00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:27,730
made a big impression of me in my early

910
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:31,180
20s that you ought to despite what you

911
00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:33,850
do at your life just do something to

912
00:37:36,810 --> 00:37:35,470
contribute towards the community and

913
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:36,820
I've been trying to do that for the last

914
00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:40,210
40 years but many scientists

915
00:37:47,940 --> 00:37:43,869
many scientists for all the fantastic

916
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:47,950
work that we all do are very shy about

917
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:51,369
telling the world about what we do so

918
00:37:57,870 --> 00:37:54,330
I'd like to appropriate Ralph Nader's

919
00:37:59,940 --> 00:37:57,880
you know mission for us all and say if

920
00:38:02,010 --> 00:37:59,950
you're a scientist if you're doing

921
00:38:03,810 --> 00:38:02,020
fantastic work if you're doing work

922
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:03,820
that's important for the future of

923
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:07,300
humanity and our planet please make it

924
00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:10,720
your scientists citizens duty to get out

925
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:13,660
there and write for the public about it

926
00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:16,720
to speak to the media about it to speak

927
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:19,990
to community groups about it 22 can

928
00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:22,300
write penal politicians to attend

929
00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:25,270
meetings like this thank you very much

930
00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:29,830
[Applause]

931
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:35,060
and everyone I meet has an interest in

932
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:38,210
science what to eat how to exercise the

933
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:40,370
best way is to deal with cancer why

934
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:43,370
people think the way they do these are

935
00:38:48,850 --> 00:38:45,650
all questions best engage with through

936
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:48,860
science not because scientists know best

937
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:51,490
it's simply because as you all know

938
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:55,250
science is a method not a tablet set in

939
00:39:01,240 --> 00:38:57,530
stone it's a way of gathering and

940
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:01,250
testing ideas and evidence to find the

941
00:39:15,550 --> 00:39:12,530
truth and yet there are still people

942
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:15,560
some of them in power who believe

943
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:18,190
science and scientists are somehow

944
00:39:29,740 --> 00:39:23,110
separate from society do they find truth

945
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:29,750
inconvenient well and as in a post fact

946
00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:32,960
world well there's another word for post

947
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:38,360
facts isn't then it's lies so why don't

948
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:40,370
we all and those people in particular

949
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:43,010
try this little thought experiment try

950
00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:44,510
getting up in the morning and noticing

951
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:47,060
every time you have to thank a scientist

952
00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:50,480
okay so for me it starts with my alarm I

953
00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:52,820
would reach over to my smartphone and

954
00:39:57,940 --> 00:39:56,270
turn it off Thank You smartphone for

955
00:40:00,340 --> 00:39:57,950
being clever enough to go to the right

956
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:00,350
time zone no matter where I am thank you

957
00:40:04,090 --> 00:40:02,330
to all the satellites and the rocket

958
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,100
scientists who develop them so they can

959
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:06,560
bounce that useful information into my

960
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:09,050
phone I swing over to get up out of bed

961
00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:13,160
I'm cool my legs actually work Thank You

962
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:17,390
scientist who turned me into a cyborg by

963
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:20,510
inventing the titanium artificial disk I

964
00:40:28,530 --> 00:40:23,390
have inserted in my spine to solve

965
00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:30,520
well it's all going on here right behind

966
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,940
us which is why I'm speaking in hushed

967
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:33,440
tones with ilithyia what do you think of

968
00:40:38,530 --> 00:40:35,410
the rally here today it's been

969
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:38,540
incredibly inspiring to see all the

970
00:40:42,310 --> 00:40:40,490
people that have shown of its I don't

971
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,320
know what I was expecting but the crowd

972
00:40:46,750 --> 00:40:44,720
that shown up from all kinds of

973
00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:46,760
university is all walks of life has been

974
00:40:51,130 --> 00:40:49,640
really spectacular you can't knock the

975
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:51,140
diversity there's even been New

976
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:53,210
Zealanders here New Zealanders for god

977
00:40:59,230 --> 00:40:56,480
sake that's if they've even been Quakers

978
00:41:00,280 --> 00:40:59,240
Quakers for science for sure that I

979
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:00,290
wasn't quite sure what they were getting

980
00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:03,920
at but they're welcome yep and the

981
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:05,600
speeches have been really riveting as

982
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:08,810
well you had had ex politicians talking

983
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:10,490
had scientists had people from the

984
00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:12,170
social sciences all getting up there and

985
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,670
I think right now we have someone

986
00:41:17,290 --> 00:41:15,200
talking about vaccinations or is a

987
00:41:19,150 --> 00:41:17,300
important topic for the skeptics yeah

988
00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:19,160
yep so it's all going on right behind us

989
00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:34,390
hey dr. Carla right well he's just kind

990
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:35,480
of finish here what did you make it the

991
00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:37,690
statements that were made by the people

992
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:40,550
inspiring step in the right direction

993
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,510
but the bottom line is if today is all

994
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,640
we get we're fail we've got to keep the

995
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:49,280
momentum going okay because people tend

996
00:41:54,850 --> 00:41:50,390
to go oh yeah I've done that yeah and

997
00:41:56,770 --> 00:41:54,860
then they move on yeah yes my feeling

998
00:41:58,990 --> 00:41:56,780
nowadays is that people should go into

999
00:42:02,170 --> 00:41:59,000
politics you see in some parts of the

1000
00:42:06,130 --> 00:42:02,180
world power grows out of the barrel of a

1001
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:06,140
gun but in many other countries power

1002
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:09,650
comes from politics and one of the most

1003
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:10,790
effective thing that the politicians

1004
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:13,250
ever did we say I don't know the

1005
00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:15,230
politics is really boring so for example

1006
00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:17,630
you might have had the Prime Minister

1007
00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:20,060
John Howard walking around in a canary

1008
00:42:24,010 --> 00:42:22,190
yellow jumpsuit and saying out of the

1009
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,020
male wearing a funny jumpsuit but at the

1010
00:42:28,810 --> 00:42:27,200
same time he had spent one half of our

1011
00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:28,820
gross domestic product on some

1012
00:42:36,610 --> 00:42:32,660
submarines it never worked so people

1013
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:36,620
should go into policies EMC look I'm

1014
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:37,730
talking to someone just keep shouting

1015
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:40,460
out to shred your educational names out

1016
00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:42,020
there Mary to you and the University of

1017
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:43,460
Southern Queensland that's not a real

1018
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:44,780
thing that was just a joke wasn't it

1019
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:47,090
look it's been fantastic to be here and

1020
00:42:50,530 --> 00:42:48,950
speak up for science and have an

1021
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:50,540
audience where everybody appears to have

1022
00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:52,550
a university that they're supporting

1023
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:54,380
more a passion for science and evidence

1024
00:42:57,370 --> 00:42:55,970
so it's been great what do you think's

1025
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:57,380
been a stronger statement that came out

1026
00:42:59,620 --> 00:42:58,130
of today there's been a lot of

1027
00:43:04,300 --> 00:42:59,630
interesting things said by the five or

1028
00:43:08,110 --> 00:43:04,310
six speakers on stage I suppose you know

1029
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:08,120
I was very very affected by the climate

1030
00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:10,730
scientists from the University of New

1031
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:13,640
South Wales who spoke a lot about the

1032
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:15,650
work she's doing about the ocean and

1033
00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:17,510
what it tells us about climate change I

1034
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:19,940
was pleased to see John Hewson talking

1035
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:21,410
about the importance of evidence in the

1036
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:23,570
development of public policy I love to

1037
00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:25,370
hear Eva Cox talking about the

1038
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:28,670
significance of civil society Simon

1039
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:32,000
Chapman a professor of Public Health who

1040
00:43:35,650 --> 00:43:33,530
has done more than probably anyone in

1041
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:35,660
this country to stop people using

1042
00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:38,090
tobacco and saved lots of lives I mean

1043
00:43:41,499 --> 00:43:40,340
it was fantastic to hear him you know I

1044
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:41,509
could go on I think

1045
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,569
speaker made a powerful contribution

1046
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:47,359
Luke Briscoe the young Aboriginal man in

1047
00:43:51,099 --> 00:43:50,209
digilab an organization to make sure

1048
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,109
that Aboriginal and Torres Strait

1049
00:43:56,769 --> 00:43:53,599
Islander people are leaders in relation

1050
00:43:59,949 --> 00:43:56,779
to new technologies and I also love to

1051
00:44:01,870 --> 00:43:59,959
see here John Jonica newbury talking

1052
00:44:04,299 --> 00:44:01,880
about her work on catalyst on ABC

1053
00:44:06,939 --> 00:44:04,309
television and her commitment to public

1054
00:44:08,409 --> 00:44:06,949
education and science literacy and thank

1055
00:44:09,849 --> 00:44:08,419
you for being such a great host today

1056
00:44:13,029 --> 00:44:09,859
thank you thank you I'm going to catch

1057
00:44:14,289 --> 00:44:13,039
up with the monster boy yes that

1058
00:44:16,359 --> 00:44:14,299
drumming you can hear in the distance is

1059
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:16,369
the March going past us and I'm just

1060
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:18,529
running along after Richard Saunders now

1061
00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:20,209
to catch up with the marta to join up

1062
00:44:26,589 --> 00:44:22,540
with the actual march for science

1063
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:31,470
alright

1064
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,640
okay here we are with the master science

1065
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:35,119
it's going past right now most of these

1066
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,490
people have much more tertiary education

1067
00:44:40,569 --> 00:44:38,960
that I've ever had because as I've made

1068
00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:40,579
mention darling rent to you 11 but

1069
00:44:44,289 --> 00:44:42,470
they're marching for science marching

1070
00:44:46,539 --> 00:44:44,299
for truth marching for peer-reviewed

1071
00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:46,549
evidence all sorts and stuff like that

1072
00:44:58,810 --> 00:44:49,270
checking all these people here

1073
00:45:03,020 --> 00:45:01,310
yes who tis the marks of science and as

1074
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:03,030
you'll see there's one cool band leading

1075
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,960
the whole thing now one of the things

1076
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,760
that science has been able to disprove

1077
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:08,400
is the existence of the cowbell you will

1078
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:09,960
hear the wood block but you will not

1079
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,670
hear the cowbell there because basically

1080
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:13,920
these people are cowbell deniers and I

1081
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:16,380
can't blame me they don't need more

1082
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:20,640
cowbell Marsha for science science

1083
00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:36,660
science science chatter chan oh we

1084
00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:39,060
haven't found as the bang goes passes

1085
00:45:44,540 --> 00:45:43,020
we've found the skeptics own fan yeah hi

1086
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:44,550
Gideon what do you like it when you make

1087
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:47,490
the March today I think it's amazing

1088
00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:50,010
very successful it's yeah great to be

1089
00:45:53,060 --> 00:45:51,300
marching for a cause that I agree with

1090
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:53,070
was there any the speakers that were on

1091
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:54,540
that you particularly agreed with or any

1092
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,830
that they think they said you thought

1093
00:46:00,350 --> 00:45:58,140
yet that's a good thing I really I

1094
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:00,360
really agreed with the statement at the

1095
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,910
fray the idea that science is not an

1096
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,800
ivory tower I thought that was brilliant

1097
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:07,200
I think you look around half the people

1098
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:09,960
who have kids everyone's really I know

1099
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:12,170
coming together and no one no one is a

1100
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:14,460
crazy person in a white coat you know

1101
00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:17,010
everyone here is just a normal person in

1102
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:19,620
jeans and a t-shirt aside from the

1103
00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:21,090
science party who are all wearing lab

1104
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:23,580
coats know and thanks for coming on and

1105
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:25,290
being on our show now you're you're

1106
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:27,450
actually on the show and a listener at

1107
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,250
your two worlds will collide it's like

1108
00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:31,440
matter and antimatter I'm sure listening

1109
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:32,550
to my voice will be a horrifying

1110
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,760
experience hey you've got a pro

1111
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:37,500
vaccination sign they want you don't

1112
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:38,910
tell us what's on your side and why you

1113
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:42,330
why you chose that one well because I'm

1114
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:45,300
a midwife and immunization is incredibly

1115
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:47,370
important to us and it's all evidence

1116
00:46:53,660 --> 00:46:49,650
based research that we base our practice

1117
00:46:56,540 --> 00:46:53,670
on and so I'd have to say sighs it's got

1118
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,550
smallpox me neither thanks science yeah

1119
00:47:00,980 --> 00:46:58,560
Thank You science move all the evidence

1120
00:47:03,140 --> 00:47:00,990
that has gone into and all the research

1121
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:03,150
to help us with our immunization program

1122
00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:05,400
that we follow can I just ask it almost

1123
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:06,870
like the controversial question that I

1124
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:08,190
only have half knowledge on it might be

1125
00:47:10,109 --> 00:47:09,720
making a broad-based incorrect statement

1126
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:10,119
of

1127
00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:12,730
where do duelers fit into the whole

1128
00:47:17,339 --> 00:47:15,430
thing oh we welcome Jill as we love them

1129
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:17,349
because I wasn't quite sure if they're

1130
00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:18,700
like an alternative thing that's not

1131
00:47:22,109 --> 00:47:20,470
good online how's that whole work air

1132
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:22,119
you just explain what I'm talking about

1133
00:47:26,999 --> 00:47:24,730
the other side so jewelers with a

1134
00:47:29,009 --> 00:47:27,009
midwife we're a registered Midwife so we

1135
00:47:30,989 --> 00:47:29,019
go to university and we studied to be a

1136
00:47:32,849 --> 00:47:30,999
midwife for about three years that's if

1137
00:47:35,069 --> 00:47:32,859
or you become a nurse first and then you

1138
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:35,079
can move into your masters and become a

1139
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:37,569
registered Midwife jewelers they

1140
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:39,849
actually they don't have a registration

1141
00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:42,400
process but they actually do a lot of

1142
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,700
research into what woman centered

1143
00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:47,680
practice when women are pregnant and in

1144
00:47:52,980 --> 00:47:50,140
labor and the postnatal time with their

1145
00:47:56,430 --> 00:47:52,990
baby so we actually find the support

1146
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,440
from a doula is very beneficial during

1147
00:48:00,239 --> 00:47:58,480
that time hey why is your favourite bit

1148
00:48:03,809 --> 00:48:00,249
of the science much today was a bit with

1149
00:48:05,609 --> 00:48:03,819
yeah that's right on um well geez I'm

1150
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:05,619
just so glad to be here too I mean it's

1151
00:48:08,339 --> 00:48:06,670
good to see all these people coming out

1152
00:48:10,349 --> 00:48:08,349
for it isn't I actually am so surprised

1153
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:10,359
at the number of people and I'm here to

1154
00:48:15,989 --> 00:48:13,569
support the science party as well and I

1155
00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:15,999
just thought the turnout was for me

1156
00:48:19,859 --> 00:48:18,220
coming from travelling by train from the

1157
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:19,869
Central Coast was something like such an

1158
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:22,450
eye opener so it's just nice to see many

1159
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:25,569
people that have the same views as me oh

1160
00:48:30,269 --> 00:48:27,249
look get back there and spread the word

1161
00:48:31,499 --> 00:48:30,279
round terrigal thank you thank you he

1162
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:31,509
would someone who has a sign that in

1163
00:48:34,769 --> 00:48:32,890
other years you might thought was an odd

1164
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:34,779
thing solidarity with us science you

1165
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,650
never thought the one the greatest

1166
00:48:38,670 --> 00:48:36,880
countries in the world would need heap

1167
00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:38,680
with their science but tell her tell us

1168
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:40,420
what's going wrong with us science these

1169
00:48:43,049 --> 00:48:42,130
are the UN why do these people why do

1170
00:48:45,059 --> 00:48:43,059
they need support they look pretty

1171
00:48:47,249 --> 00:48:45,069
healthy to me he's got a beard that the

1172
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:47,259
beard count has just gone up by one okay

1173
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:49,210
yeah what I need help they look okay to

1174
00:48:52,739 --> 00:48:51,130
me so I've come here in solidarity with

1175
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:52,749
us scientist because I have Trump and

1176
00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:55,569
his administration who really about

1177
00:48:59,759 --> 00:48:57,400
profits and business and themselves they

1178
00:49:02,009 --> 00:48:59,769
don't care about science science makes

1179
00:49:04,979 --> 00:49:02,019
the world go around we watch the video

1180
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:04,989
through science wifis from science air

1181
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:06,670
travel has also been informed by science

1182
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:08,410
I'm an environmental scientist so we

1183
00:49:14,729 --> 00:49:12,480
breathe and understand how how science

1184
00:49:16,529 --> 00:49:14,739
doesn't make the world go round it makes

1185
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:16,539
you understand how and why the world

1186
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:19,150
goes round so I've actually come here

1187
00:49:22,289 --> 00:49:20,890
originally to support your scientists

1188
00:49:22,579 --> 00:49:22,299
and then your scientists came up and

1189
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:22,589
said

1190
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:24,390
lie to me okay let's grill them okay you

1191
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:25,619
two what's your what's your speciality

1192
00:49:30,229 --> 00:49:27,630
I'm an archaeologist and I study

1193
00:49:31,969 --> 00:49:30,239
paleontology okay now what do you think

1194
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:31,979
is the biggest threat to your science in

1195
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:33,690
your country at the moment you can't

1196
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:36,049
study the world if there is no earth

1197
00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:39,150
very good boy yeah you can't even study

1198
00:49:44,269 --> 00:49:41,819
old stuff cuz it'll be gone we gone and

1199
00:49:47,059 --> 00:49:44,279
knowing the past allows us to understand

1200
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:47,069
the future both in Eric okay give us a

1201
00:49:52,279 --> 00:49:50,670
nice wife okay of science marches he

1202
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:52,289
hello my name's may not how are you hey

1203
00:49:55,969 --> 00:49:54,630
well I'm interested in biology which is

1204
00:49:57,769 --> 00:49:55,979
actually the science of studying baths

1205
00:50:00,019 --> 00:49:57,779
actually and how the bath can be for you

1206
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:00,029
but what science disciplines you into

1207
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:02,700
hey yeah environmental science okay and

1208
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:03,569
what do you think is the biggest threat

1209
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:05,190
to our bio mill science here in

1210
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:06,690
Australia and the main reason why you're

1211
00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:12,180
marching hmm biggest threat only lack of

1212
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:14,190
like education and knowledge like all

1213
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:17,130
you need is knowledge and awareness and

1214
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:19,140
once once you know someone tells you

1215
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:20,579
about any understand what's going on and

1216
00:50:24,049 --> 00:50:21,900
then you can spread that message on to

1217
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:24,059
everyone everyone knows that like global

1218
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:25,410
warming is an issue and everything is an

1219
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:27,660
issue but no one says anything about it

1220
00:50:32,269 --> 00:50:29,190
there's like lack of education lack of

1221
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:32,279
resource like political and like lack of

1222
00:50:36,289 --> 00:50:33,900
good legislation that sort of backs

1223
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:36,299
anything up and I don't know yeah it's a

1224
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:37,859
symbol of your favorite speaker was a

1225
00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:39,569
report made by someone you went yes

1226
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:41,840
sister yeah

1227
00:50:46,930 --> 00:50:43,810
name and then one of the older lady

1228
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,940
social sciences and like really you hit

1229
00:50:51,490 --> 00:50:48,640
the nail on the head with them no

1230
00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:51,500
messing around she was here talking to

1231
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:52,790
the boy well thanks for marching for

1232
00:50:58,090 --> 00:50:54,260
science today let's just get a watch a

1233
00:51:00,040 --> 00:50:58,100
look at that there we go lab science and

1234
00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:00,050
here we see some community based at pro

1235
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:02,360
vaccine appt protesters so to speak with

1236
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:04,130
the results of that there hello who we

1237
00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:06,110
have here and why did you go with the

1238
00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:08,990
vaccine so as a doctor I can see at

1239
00:51:14,050 --> 00:51:11,780
first hand the necessity of vaccination

1240
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:14,060
in protecting both our children and also

1241
00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:16,490
the greater community in particular my

1242
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:19,910
personal passions lie with our antenatal

1243
00:51:24,490 --> 00:51:22,310
vaccination of pregnant women with our

1244
00:51:27,220 --> 00:51:24,500
whooping cough vaccines which has been

1245
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:27,230
shown unequivocally to improve outcomes

1246
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:30,050
to baby and also to communities and

1247
00:51:34,690 --> 00:51:32,140
these are my fully vaccinated children

1248
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:34,700
that I'm protecting them and their

1249
00:51:38,860 --> 00:51:37,250
well-being for years to come now that

1250
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:38,870
what I ask controversial question cuz me

1251
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:40,070
not being a doctor I don't quite

1252
00:51:43,810 --> 00:51:41,930
understand that why do we give newborn

1253
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:43,820
babies a Hep B vaccine I don't quite

1254
00:51:47,890 --> 00:51:45,170
understand that and I'm sure there's a

1255
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:47,900
good reason for it there is so hepatitis

1256
00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:51,590
B is an endemic er infection in that in

1257
00:51:56,890 --> 00:51:53,750
our community which means that anybody

1258
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:56,900
can get it at any time okay and it's not

1259
00:52:01,540 --> 00:51:58,970
just from sexual transmission it's from

1260
00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:01,550
transmission of saliva children bite

1261
00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:03,950
each other at daycare they also get

1262
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,140
exposed to it from blood or just from

1263
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,960
interacting with each other um so it's

1264
00:52:13,780 --> 00:52:10,880
really important that we protect against

1265
00:52:15,970 --> 00:52:13,790
this deadly virus that causes commendeth

1266
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:15,980
illness particularly in Asian countries

1267
00:52:19,569 --> 00:52:18,110
where it's a very high rate of having

1268
00:52:21,549 --> 00:52:19,579
ever titus be

1269
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:21,559
so it's really important we can protect

1270
00:52:25,509 --> 00:52:23,450
them as early as we possibly can from

1271
00:52:27,099 --> 00:52:25,519
this terrible disease see that's the

1272
00:52:28,779 --> 00:52:27,109
explanation I've wanted for years not

1273
00:52:30,819 --> 00:52:28,789
far I had to come to a match to find a

1274
00:52:32,019 --> 00:52:30,829
doctor I should just ask my GP there now

1275
00:52:34,479 --> 00:52:32,029
what do you think it's the big big

1276
00:52:36,219 --> 00:52:34,489
threat like the anti-vaxxers is a lot of

1277
00:52:37,989 --> 00:52:36,229
people are suspicious of vaccines

1278
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:37,999
because maybe that they're bit worried

1279
00:52:42,759 --> 00:52:39,729
about it aren't they there is

1280
00:52:44,979 --> 00:52:42,769
unequivocal unequivocal safety evidence

1281
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:44,989
of the benefit of vaccination for

1282
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:47,569
ourselves and for the community there is

1283
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:50,450
no evidence whatsoever that vaccination

1284
00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:53,209
causes autism and I think it's really um

1285
00:53:00,969 --> 00:52:57,950
a ton it's not a community feeling to

1286
00:53:02,949 --> 00:53:00,979
notch promote vaccination which is so

1287
00:53:04,539 --> 00:53:02,959
important in keeping all of us healthy I

1288
00:53:06,969 --> 00:53:04,549
mean among this crowd there would be

1289
00:53:09,249 --> 00:53:06,979
people who might have cancer or young

1290
00:53:11,170 --> 00:53:09,259
children who can't be vaccinated it is

1291
00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:11,180
our responsibility to ensure their

1292
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:13,430
safety and you enjoy being in the match

1293
00:53:22,329 --> 00:53:17,450
today yes I did and did you enjoy your

1294
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:22,339
marching did you just say any more than

1295
00:53:25,809 --> 00:53:23,569
that unless I can speak to a press agent

1296
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:25,819
I do understand that okay thank you so

1297
00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:27,529
much thank you thank you very much thank

1298
00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:30,100
you thank you

1299
00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:32,920
may not here at the match for science

1300
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:34,790
just a bit of an update on the neckbeard

1301
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:36,710
count I've been checking throughout the

1302
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:38,570
crowd and I do have to say that the

1303
00:53:41,620 --> 00:53:39,890
despite the thousands of people here

1304
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:41,630
there's been a distinct lack of neck

1305
00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:42,950
beards I've been doing a neckbeard

1306
00:53:46,690 --> 00:53:45,500
account and not one oh look a rugged

1307
00:53:48,820 --> 00:53:46,700
Iran's again look you do have a

1308
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:48,830
neckbeard but I mainly don't know I mean

1309
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:50,450
just just the beard that's on the neck

1310
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:52,370
of the potential of make beer I cannot

1311
00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:54,050
see anyone with a neckbeard I'm a bit

1312
00:53:58,270 --> 00:53:56,060
disappointed I thought we'd get one no

1313
00:54:00,670 --> 00:53:58,280
well I'm I apologize on behalf of all

1314
00:54:02,650 --> 00:54:00,680
potential neck beards for actually you

1315
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:02,660
know trimming and looking I was

1316
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:04,490
expecting a lot nerdy now I was

1317
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:06,230
expecting speaking nerds I'll suspect me

1318
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,730
with some more hairy high pants to us

1319
00:54:11,170 --> 00:54:09,440
expecting some that high waisted built

1320
00:54:13,810 --> 00:54:11,180
at action none of that either oh there's

1321
00:54:16,090 --> 00:54:13,820
also a distinct lat absence of Bo I know

1322
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:16,100
it's not it's not not a site at science

1323
00:54:19,810 --> 00:54:17,690
is not what it used to be that's wrong

1324
00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:19,820
everyone's brushing their teeth and

1325
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:21,260
using deodorant what's going on in the

1326
00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:24,650
world I blame Trump I blame him too hi

1327
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:27,020
I'm a nod from skipping down higher now

1328
00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:28,130
I'm we're actually with someone here

1329
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:29,540
they've got your climate science 101

1330
00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:31,370
you've got the five major points on a

1331
00:54:34,750 --> 00:54:32,870
board that could save me four years at

1332
00:54:36,730 --> 00:54:34,760
University exactly well I've done those

1333
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:36,740
boys at university so I can tell you a

1334
00:54:40,540 --> 00:54:39,290
little bit about it yeah I know it is it

1335
00:54:41,740 --> 00:54:40,550
so it is a lot more than those five

1336
00:54:43,390 --> 00:54:41,750
points is I should have a little

1337
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,400
asterisks is over the it's warming

1338
00:54:47,410 --> 00:54:45,440
because it's also cool way mm-hmm what

1339
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:47,420
was your thesis on well I'm just

1340
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,040
finishing my undergrad right now all ok

1341
00:54:52,780 --> 00:54:51,680
I'm sorry thesis coming next ok can you

1342
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:52,790
give us a hint what it is all that give

1343
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:54,590
it away and someone else to do it don't

1344
00:54:57,850 --> 00:54:56,330
actually know yet but definitely thought

1345
00:55:00,040 --> 00:54:57,860
she knows you know she knows exactly

1346
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:00,050
it's just so good that someone will copy

1347
00:55:05,110 --> 00:55:03,050
it maybe you never know now how do you

1348
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:05,120
feel about the issue of women in science

1349
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:06,410
and promoting and getting more women

1350
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:08,540
involved in science is it as simple as

1351
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:10,670
just promoting it or what do you think

1352
00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:11,690
is the key to getting more women

1353
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:14,150
involved it's me it's it's a very

1354
00:55:18,670 --> 00:55:16,370
involved topic because while there are a

1355
00:55:20,770 --> 00:55:18,680
lot of women going into bachelor of

1356
00:55:23,710 --> 00:55:20,780
science not so much in physics and

1357
00:55:26,250 --> 00:55:23,720
engineering the issue is post-graduation

1358
00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:26,260
getting women jobs in science in a post

1359
00:55:30,070 --> 00:55:28,310
postgraduate role or actually in the

1360
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:30,080
industry that's why really have a

1361
00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:31,930
decrease in the amount of women and

1362
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:34,360
industry that a general lack of job or

1363
00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:36,250
is it more like the boys club hire other

1364
00:55:40,530 --> 00:55:38,590
boys there is a bit of boys club from my

1365
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:40,540
conversations with industry career

1366
00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:42,610
scientists who are women there is a bit

1367
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:45,820
of boys club but that's also it's it's a

1368
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:48,130
lot larger with just women in careers as

1369
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:49,660
well you know thinking about maternity

1370
00:55:54,510 --> 00:55:52,290
leave taking that break getting those

1371
00:55:56,790 --> 00:55:54,520
opportunities that made available to you

1372
00:55:59,250 --> 00:55:56,800
so I'm which universities you go to I

1373
00:56:01,950 --> 00:55:59,260
member Corey okay and why did you choose

1374
00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:01,960
the science you chose I've been

1375
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:03,670
passionate about climate science since I

1376
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:05,770
was very little and I always knew that I

1377
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,130
wanted to do it I'm studying a 2 degrees

1378
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:11,440
to majors in science in con science and

1379
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:13,390
chemistry because I wanted to study the

1380
00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:16,570
interplay of atmospheric chemistry ok so

1381
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:18,760
you must get particularly angry when

1382
00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:22,290
people deny global warming Christ yes

1383
00:56:26,190 --> 00:56:24,790
what do you yell at the television is

1384
00:56:27,450 --> 00:56:26,200
there some simple thing you yell at the

1385
00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:27,460
television when that's on you got no

1386
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:30,790
it's just read the summary for

1387
00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:34,960
policymakers it's if you deny an

1388
00:56:42,330 --> 00:56:37,780
overwhelming consensus of scientists

1389
00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:42,340
have you not learned to read it it's

1390
00:56:47,660 --> 00:56:45,430
really fury ating thank you very much no

1391
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:47,670
worries thanks for your time thank you

1392
00:56:50,790 --> 00:56:49,690
guess I'm getting a couple hear from

1393
00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:50,800
everyone because science is all about

1394
00:56:55,170 --> 00:56:52,540
cuddling now what did you make it the

1395
00:56:57,690 --> 00:56:55,180
whole thing Jessica I was great fun very

1396
00:56:59,400 --> 00:56:57,700
inspiring great speakers lots of police

1397
00:57:01,290 --> 00:56:59,410
to protect the public from those

1398
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:01,300
dangerous dangerous scientists I

1399
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,130
Canada's highs 15 which as high as i can

1400
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:05,200
count Laura would you make of it I was

1401
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:07,570
great there was at least 15 yes at least

1402
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:09,730
50 big turned out by the police their

1403
00:57:12,810 --> 00:57:11,230
time and a half two on a sad day as well

1404
00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:12,820
Tim would you wreck of the whole March

1405
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:14,860
what was your favourite bit ah the lack

1406
00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:16,810
of violence that's true yeah they're all

1407
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:18,040
friendly Bunch no violence for a

1408
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:20,890
demonstration yeah and Olivia I like

1409
00:57:24,990 --> 00:57:23,050
really loving the cosplay around no

1410
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:25,000
captain planet earlier today there is

1411
00:57:28,770 --> 00:57:26,770
some cool cosplay going on at a science

1412
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,780
much what you'd expect and Iran you were

1413
00:57:31,410 --> 00:57:29,920
getting out and about the crowd there

1414
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:31,420
what do you reckon I think it's been

1415
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:33,430
great there's so many people who support

1416
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:35,110
science it's just wonderful to see the

1417
00:57:40,410 --> 00:57:38,530
great turnout and it's been fun as well

1418
00:57:42,180 --> 00:57:40,420
you know I expected to be a little bit

1419
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:42,190
more serious and it turned out to be

1420
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:44,110
really great fun thought science could

1421
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:45,400
be Sun so to Ray from

1422
00:57:52,050 --> 00:58:06,430
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alright we're recording hi Richard

1439
00:59:00,430 --> 00:58:57,710
Richard this is Angie and Celeste I'm

1440
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:00,440
Celeste this is Angie hi Richard we're

1441
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:02,390
at the science March live in Washington

1442
00:59:11,830 --> 00:59:09,680
DC hey everybody see how Australia that

1443
00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:11,840
is a bunch of science minded people and

1444
00:59:16,330 --> 00:59:14,990
scientists we have just reached this to

1445
00:59:18,730 --> 00:59:16,340
we've we've gotten as close as you can

1446
00:59:20,770 --> 00:59:18,740
to the steps of the Capitol and it was

1447
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:20,780
an amazing March I mean it was mostly we

1448
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:22,250
were standing at first but then we were

1449
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:24,290
able to move on and the people here have

1450
00:59:30,490 --> 00:59:27,170
been so enthusiastic and so creative in

1451
00:59:32,290 --> 00:59:30,500
their size have enough congratula Tory

1452
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:32,300
agreed agreed yeah there was a lot of

1453
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:36,290
fun so um it was very wet report on us

1454
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:38,090
the whole time but we scientists knew it

1455
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:40,730
was going to happen so we brought rain

1456
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:43,850
gear umbrellas and we were prepared yes

1457
00:59:47,620 --> 00:59:46,370
and it's amazing how science helped just

1458
00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:47,630
predict this rain so we have people with

1459
00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:50,830
laminated signs some wonderful wonderful

1460
00:59:57,460 --> 00:59:53,350
clever slogans we saw Donald Trump

1461
00:59:59,260 --> 00:59:57,470
depicted as a virus ha we thought many

1462
01:00:01,060 --> 00:59:59,270
good slogans and there are many good

1463
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:01,070
chance and it's super loud out here so

1464
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,970
we don't even know if you're gonna be

1465
01:00:06,610 --> 01:00:04,400
able to hear us very well so we're going

1466
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:06,620
to record some more thoughts later it's

1467
01:00:11,050 --> 01:00:09,440
certainly a varied crowd with not so

1468
01:00:13,150 --> 01:00:11,060
much a singular message but a strong

1469
01:00:18,370 --> 01:00:13,160
message so we're hoping it makes it a

1470
01:00:21,550 --> 01:00:18,380
dent all right talk to you soon hello we

1471
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:21,560
are live from America in Washington DC I

1472
01:00:28,030 --> 01:00:24,290
have with me here this is celestia ward

1473
01:00:30,430 --> 01:00:28,040
a fantastic cartoonist who has done an

1474
01:00:33,220 --> 01:00:30,440
outstanding job today of reporting on

1475
01:00:36,850 --> 01:00:33,230
the march in washington and i'm here

1476
01:00:40,450 --> 01:00:36,860
with angie matki ER doctor and science

1477
01:00:43,540 --> 01:00:40,460
enthusiast extraordinaire who has done a

1478
01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:43,550
wonderful job marching up and down the

1479
01:00:48,790 --> 01:00:45,830
streets of Washington DC with me and

1480
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:48,800
pointing out some amazing signs and we

1481
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:50,570
have had a wonderful time and we are so

1482
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,350
exhausted Richard Saunders I even tell

1483
01:00:59,140 --> 01:00:56,720
you how exhausted we are we are we want

1484
01:01:00,970 --> 01:00:59,150
to give you an encapsulated view of what

1485
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:00,980
happened today on the science march in

1486
01:01:05,250 --> 01:01:03,290
America the one in DC there were so many

1487
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:05,260
across the country but we were we were

1488
01:01:09,810 --> 01:01:07,270
at the the nation's capital Washington

1489
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:09,820
DC marching towards the Capitol building

1490
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:12,010
with all of our signs and there were

1491
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:15,010
even despite the rain there were tons of

1492
01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:18,480
people a sea of umbrellas a sea of

1493
01:01:22,650 --> 01:01:21,160
people chanting things I heard we had

1494
01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:22,660
some great chance out there they had

1495
01:01:29,580 --> 01:01:27,190
like Oh what was your favorite one angie

1496
01:01:31,580 --> 01:01:29,590
as far as the chance are the songs the

1497
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:31,590
chance i think one of my favorites was

1498
01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:34,810
what do we want science when do we want

1499
01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:38,470
it after peer review yes i think that

1500
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,420
was my favorite chant yeah that makes

1501
01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:42,160
sense all right well so we have had a

1502
01:01:46,860 --> 01:01:43,990
terrific day we are chilled to the bone

1503
01:01:50,070 --> 01:01:46,870
but we had a fantastic day we have been

1504
01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:50,080
warmed by the loving thoughts and the

1505
01:01:56,580 --> 01:01:53,740
warm wishes of all of our co marchers it

1506
01:01:58,290 --> 01:01:56,590
has been a fantastic there's yeah

1507
01:02:01,800 --> 01:01:58,300
there's a lot of love there really was

1508
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:01,810
and it was very well organized group and

1509
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,930
it was huge we were probably about a

1510
01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:06,880
quarter of the way back into the pack

1511
01:02:12,450 --> 01:02:09,400
and then even after we had finished our

1512
01:02:14,010 --> 01:02:12,460
march we as we walked back there were

1513
01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:14,020
still hundreds of thousands of people

1514
01:02:19,410 --> 01:02:17,260
still walking it was amazing to see that

1515
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:19,420
many people turned out to support

1516
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:22,030
science people who had never done

1517
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:23,770
anything like this in their entire lives

1518
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:26,290
were here in Washington DC and had

1519
01:02:29,070 --> 01:02:27,910
traveled a long way to do it hey I've

1520
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:29,080
heard a lot of back and forth about

1521
01:02:32,850 --> 01:02:30,850
whether or not this this March was a

1522
01:02:34,620 --> 01:02:32,860
good idea mm-hmm I've heard scientists

1523
01:02:37,050 --> 01:02:34,630
say that you know I'm not participating

1524
01:02:38,070 --> 01:02:37,060
because blah blah blah well mostly that

1525
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:38,080
I think was that they didn't want

1526
01:02:42,270 --> 01:02:40,030
science to be politicized yes but

1527
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:42,280
unfortunately I think that it already is

1528
01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:44,110
politicized and people are making

1529
01:02:48,570 --> 01:02:46,600
decisions based on their beliefs rather

1530
01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:48,580
than the actual data yes and they're

1531
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:50,980
they're starting to throw out to the

1532
01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:52,450
general public that you shouldn't trust

1533
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:55,390
science and that's a dangerous dangerous

1534
01:02:58,620 --> 01:02:57,280
thing and when you see something

1535
01:03:00,600 --> 01:02:58,630
dangerous happen you want to do

1536
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:00,610
something about it it's important for me

1537
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:02,710
to feel like I've made a statement yeah

1538
01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:05,440
by being here I feel like I have done my

1539
01:03:11,070 --> 01:03:07,960
at least part of my civic duty by

1540
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:11,080
showing up yeah and yes and we had many

1541
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:14,110
it was very multidisciplinary we had so

1542
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,130
many different people from so many

1543
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:17,440
different areas of science and we were

1544
01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:18,730
marching in the section with

1545
01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:21,540
which was the secular coalition we had

1546
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,940
atheists and agnostics and humanists

1547
01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:27,280
humanists and many different groups then

1548
01:03:30,060 --> 01:03:28,630
the Center for inquiry had a

1549
01:03:31,590 --> 01:03:30,070
representation there there were

1550
01:03:34,620 --> 01:03:31,600
co-sponsors in the March as a matter of

1551
01:03:37,410 --> 01:03:34,630
fact Lucas and I was here we got two

1552
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:37,420
here Bill Nye oh and oh did you hear

1553
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:40,210
that our pizza has arrived pizza we

1554
01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:44,170
ordered room service pizza if we are

1555
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:46,270
getting the whole experience here as as

1556
01:03:53,970 --> 01:03:51,310
we as we uh as we recuperate from the

1557
01:03:56,430 --> 01:03:53,980
March I think I walked about seven and a

1558
01:03:58,920 --> 01:03:56,440
half miles today you did I may come over

1559
01:04:01,650 --> 01:03:58,930
that I became probably close to eight

1560
01:04:04,859 --> 01:04:01,660
yeah we're we were able to track how far

1561
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,869
we walked thanks to science and our

1562
01:04:09,540 --> 01:04:06,640
little built-in pedometers that's right

1563
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:09,550
this is technology or yes with art with

1564
01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:11,920
her smartphones yep this is technology

1565
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:14,830
orc it's very important anyway another

1566
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:17,200
skeptic concern about the March is that

1567
01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:19,990
there have been a number of different

1568
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:21,430
groups that have kind of jumped on the

1569
01:04:26,190 --> 01:04:23,410
bandwagon including some pseudo science

1570
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:26,200
group we had some anti GMO people I

1571
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:27,760
heard you know because there was a big

1572
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:30,880
environmental contingent many people

1573
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:32,650
were holding up Earth Day signs it did

1574
01:04:37,859 --> 01:04:34,960
take place on earth day and you know we

1575
01:04:39,450 --> 01:04:37,869
love mother earth and I'm with her with

1576
01:04:41,609 --> 01:04:39,460
a little arrow to the earth sign and

1577
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:41,619
that's wonderful we love the earth

1578
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:44,050
people we love the hippies but some of

1579
01:04:47,849 --> 01:04:45,760
them aren't necessarily grounded in real

1580
01:04:49,980 --> 01:04:47,859
sciences so there's a lot of concerns

1581
01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:49,990
that skeptics have with that contingent

1582
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:51,940
agreed yeah in fact there was even an

1583
01:04:58,070 --> 01:04:54,250
ant I've axe or that was in the group

1584
01:05:01,320 --> 01:04:58,080
that we were with and he would yell an

1585
01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:01,330
advertisement for a particular website

1586
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:04,390
yet bonded him in the wild it was pretty

1587
01:05:10,050 --> 01:05:06,130
funny well we were chanting everybody

1588
01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:10,060
was chanting a you know 1 2 3 4 climate

1589
01:05:15,060 --> 01:05:12,790
was changing as our door five six seven

1590
01:05:16,890 --> 01:05:15,070
eight everybody vaccinated and then

1591
01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:16,900
after that shan't ended you heard this

1592
01:05:24,990 --> 01:05:20,940
one old coot out there just kind of go

1593
01:05:27,330 --> 01:05:25,000
search out vaccine fraud search vaccine

1594
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:27,340
fraud well anyways and yeah he was

1595
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:29,650
clearly he was clearly a lone wolf in

1596
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:31,330
the whole pack of science minded people

1597
01:05:34,589 --> 01:05:32,170
and everybody kind of looked

1598
01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:34,599
each other this whole March is an

1599
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:36,040
experiment we're going to see what

1600
01:05:39,930 --> 01:05:37,450
happens we're going to see if people who

1601
01:05:43,319 --> 01:05:39,940
weren't politically motivated before who

1602
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:43,329
didn't really participate in the public

1603
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:45,190
sphere which a lot of scientists don't

1604
01:05:49,799 --> 01:05:47,740
we'll see if this is sort of that first

1605
01:05:52,829 --> 01:05:49,809
little you know dipping their toes in

1606
01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:52,839
the pool also see if it gets things

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rolling and we can maybe maybe making a

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difference yeah he dislodged some of the

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apathy that we've seen among the

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electorate here yeah i really hope is

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that happen because apathy among apathy

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among the scientifically literate has

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been very dangerous and in the course of

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America how great if those who know

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better don't speak up then then that

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leaves those who don't know any better

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they're in charge yeah we don't want let

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any way not at all thank you so much

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richer alright we hope Sydney was a

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wonderful success and take care of we'll

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hear you later okay bye

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01:06:44,819 --> 01:06:42,569
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:44,829
zone and thank you very much to Angie

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01:06:51,569 --> 01:06:47,170
and Celeste all the way over there and

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01:06:53,789 --> 01:06:51,579
in Washington DC for taking the time to

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make recordings and sending them to me

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01:06:59,189 --> 01:06:57,069
so we could all enjoy their take on the

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01:07:00,539 --> 01:06:59,199
march for science in that part of the

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01:07:04,499 --> 01:07:00,549
world and thank you to all the people

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01:07:06,179 --> 01:07:04,509
that were interviewed by maenad we

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01:07:08,969 --> 01:07:06,189
really appreciate that and yes don't

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01:07:11,759 --> 01:07:08,979
forget pretty soon we'll have the video

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01:07:15,089 --> 01:07:11,769
of all that adventure up and you can see

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01:07:17,130 --> 01:07:15,099
Maynard in action on next week's show we

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01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:17,140
catch up with Maynard again and Tim

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01:07:22,349 --> 01:07:19,569
Ferguson from Planet Maynard podcast

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01:07:23,849 --> 01:07:22,359
bunga bunga and he's going to just fill

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01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:23,859
us in on what he's been up to since

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01:07:27,989 --> 01:07:26,170
winning the podcast award a couple of

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01:07:30,509 --> 01:07:27,999
weeks ago and that's still very exciting

1641
01:07:31,979 --> 01:07:30,519
but since this has been a bumper episode

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01:07:35,309 --> 01:07:31,989
of the skeptics own it's time for me to

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01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:35,319
lie down yes I'm going to lie down shut

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01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:37,089
the door so the cats don't come in and

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01:07:43,049 --> 01:07:40,809
decide to sit on me and start they get

1646
01:07:46,229 --> 01:07:43,059
that little claw comes out halfway

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01:07:49,769 --> 01:07:46,239
through tonight and beak mmm cat owners

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01:07:52,049 --> 01:07:49,779
and know what I mean yes it's time for

1649
01:07:53,669 --> 01:07:52,059
me to have a rest rest up a few days and

1650
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:53,679
then get ready for the next episode of

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01:07:58,259 --> 01:07:56,170
the skeptic zone so no matter where you

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01:07:59,939 --> 01:07:58,269
are listening to the show from around

1653
01:08:02,549 --> 01:07:59,949
the world thank you very much for doing

1654
01:08:06,029 --> 01:08:02,559
that get listeners in Portugal it's

1655
01:08:08,719 --> 01:08:06,039
really great and Norway of course and

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01:08:11,099 --> 01:08:08,729
Finland many places around the world

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01:08:13,019 --> 01:08:11,109
anyway for this week this is Richard

1658
01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:13,029
Saunders signing off from Sydney

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01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:19,480
Australia you've been listening to the

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